In Memoriam: 9/13/01 List Archive
FROM: Michael Cervieri
DATE: Wed 23:51
SUBJ: [wwwac] Yahoo / Redcross
i was on the phone today with representatives from the united way
(was doing a story). they told me that they were receiving 4-5
donations a minute off their web site as compared to the usual 4-5
per week that they received on average before yesterday. just fyi.
michael
At 10:28 AM -0700 9/12/01, Adam Fialkov wrote:
>ANyone have a link to donate money to the red cross through Yahoo PayDirect?
>
>AF
FROM: Chris Poterala
DATE: Wed 23:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] Pale Blue Dot
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/pale_blue_dot.html
Peace
chris
chris poterala
chris@...
http://www.potsie.com
FROM: Rick Ellis
DATE: Thu 03:42
SUBJ: [wwwac] Give A Shout Out Please
>
>there are levels of friendship and communication...
>
>i wouldn't be thinking about certain people under other circumstances - the
>distant family member and friends of friends such as their AA flight
>attendant buddies i've met socially (yet i couldn't be sure i'd recognize
>their names). i'm thinking about them now because i haven't heard anything
>and it's unsettling.
>
I've had similiar experiences during the past couple of days. There are
quite a few folks I know from my financial reporting days who worked at some
of the companies who seemed to have lost much of their staff. They worked in
offices located at the top of one or both towers, and most of them are
presumed dead.
It's an odd thing. I was thinking a lot today about a market strategist who
worked Cantor Fitzgerald. No official word yet, but I've gotten a number of
calls from people today wanting to know if I've heard anything about him. I
can't say we knew each other all that well, but I talked to him every week,
and he was much nicer to me than he should have been, given our respective
positions in the industry. He was a well-known figure and I was just a grunt
reporter. He didn't need to be so helpful. He was because he was just a
hellofa guy.
I have a sinking feeling he didn't make it. And I have the same suspicions
about a number of other people I dealt with on a regular basis. They're not
family...or even close friends. But the world will seem a little less bright
without them.
This can be a sad, hard life sometimes. And my thoughts go out to all of
their loved ones.
Rick Ellis
www.allyourtv.com
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FROM: hens
DATE: Wed 23:50
SUBJ: [wwwac] Flag Image
On 9/12/01 at 11:15 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
> I remember some in the list earlier were wondering if there were some good
> flag images to post on their web sites, well apperantly lycos.com had the
> same sentiment:
>
> http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp
I'm not doubting the good intentions, but sheesh, it _is_ a little bit
corny don't you think?
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FROM: hens
DATE: Wed 23:52
SUBJ: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC
On 9/12/01 at 10:44 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
> False Alarm.
I can't find out anything about this. I live near the Empire State. Should
I bother trying to get home or just crash at the office?
--
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FROM: FB`
DATE: Wed 23:52
SUBJ: [wwwac] Ominous rhetoric?
hens <hens@...>:
> http://1010wins.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_1700772955_html?pp=1
>
> I don't know. I know the situation is bad, but this kind of slimey
> agit-prop creeps me out:
>
> > And we saw the memorable moments.
this guy is not so off in what he sees as he is in where he sees it.
the memorable moments did not come from the people singing on those steps,
nor did they come from the president's speeches.
the images i will always see when i think of this are far more human, far
less sanctioned, and were barely caught out of the corner of many shaky
camera eyes in downtown ny and at the pentagon.
these images are of people helping others, to stand up, to walk, to ...
enough
FROM: Leah Cunningham
DATE: Thu 00:00
SUBJ: [wwwac] Fwd: Emergency Services Information for the N.Y.C. Area
Leah Cunningham
Partner
Metre, LLC
646-298-6262
leah@...
>From: "The New York Times Direct" <NYTDirect@... >
>Reply-To: "The New York Times Direct" <NYTDirect@... >
>To: leah_cunningham@...
>Subject: Emergency Services Information for the N.Y.C. Area
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:45:31 -0500
>
>New York City-area Emergency Services and Resources From
>The New York Times on the Web
>Wednesday, September 12, 2001
>---------------------------------
>
>NYTimes.com has compiled the following list of emergency resources and
>contact information for the New York City area. Closings and some
>contact numbers may be subject to change. For news and information
>throughout the day, visit:
>http://www.nytimes.com
>
>
>BLOOD DONATIONS
>
>Manhattan
>- New York Blood Center
>310 East 67th Street (between First and Second Aves.)
>150 Amsterdam Avenue (66-67th Streets)
>
>- St. Clare's Hospital & Health Center
>426 W. 52nd St.
>212-586-1500
>
>- St. Vincent's Hospital & Medical Center
>7th Ave. at 11th St.
>212-604-7000
>
>
>Brooklyn
>- New York Blood Center
>120 Lawrence St. near MetroTech
>212-586-1500
>
>- St. Mary's Hospital
>170 Buffalo Ave.
>718-221-3000
>
>
>Queens
>- Flushing: St. Joseph's Hospital
>15840 79th Ave.
>718-558-6200
>
>- Jamaica: St. Vincent's Medical Center of Richmond
>355 Bard Ave.
>718-876-1234
>
>
>Staten Island
>- Mary Immaculate Hospital
>15211 89th Ave.
>718-558-2000
>
>
>Westchester
>- Elmsford
>525 Executive Boulevard
>
>
>New Jersey
>- New Brunswick
>167 New Street
>
>
>For more details on available donor locations, call 1-800-448-3543
>(GIVE-LIFE), 1-800-933-2566 or visit:
>http://www.nybloodcenter.org
>
>-----
>
>HOTLINES
>
>Main New York City Numbers:
>- NYC Emergency Information: 212-560-2730
>- NYPD Emergency Information: 212-741-4626 or 866-856-4167
>
>Airlines:
>- American Airlines: 1-800-245-0999
>American Airlines Statement
>http://www.aa.com/
>
>- United Airlines: 1-800-932-8555
>United Airlines Statement
>http://www.ual.com/
>
>United also has established its international toll-free numbers for
>friends or family members who want more information. Those numbers are:
>The Netherlands: 020504051
>Germany: 06966985407
>Italy: 024829813
>Belgium: 027133646
>France: 0169199659
>
>Victim Information:
>- Red Cross WTC Victim Information: 212-604-7285
>- WTC: AON Employees: 203-863-6380
>- WTC: Morgan Stanley Employees: 888-883-4391
>- WTC: Carr Future: 800-755-7620
>- WTC: Cantor Fitzgerald: 866-326-3188
>- WTC: Pitney Bowes: 800-932-3631
>- Pentagon Employees: 1-877-663-6772
>- Fire Department and EMT Employees: 718-999-2541
>- Police Department Employees: 718-677-8238
>
>New York City Hospitals:
>- St. Vincent's Hospital: 212-604-7285
>- Bellevue Hospital Center: 212-562-4141
>- Coler Memorial Hospital: 212-848-6300
>- Goldwater Memorial Hospital: 212-318-8000
>- Gouverneur Hospital D&TC: 212-238-7000
>
>Other City Services:
>- City Mortuary: 212-562-3051
>- Chief Medical Examiner: 212-447-2030
>
>Grief Counseling:
>- Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center: 718-579-5000
>- Metropolitan Hospital Center: 212-423-6262
>- St. Vincent's Health Crisis Center: 212-604-8220
>- Department of Mental Health Services: 212-442-5000
>
>-----
>
>TRANSIT
>
>Subways:
>Most service has resumed with the exception of the 3, C, and the Q
>Express.
>
>City Buses:
>Buses are operating in Manhattan above 14th Street.
>
>For complete details on bus and subway service, visit the MTA Web site:
>http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emernyct.htm
>
>
>Roads, Bridges and Tunnels:
>- The Lincoln and Holland Tunnels and George Washington Bridge are
>closed in both directions.
>- FDR Drive and the West Side Highway are closed from 92nd St. to the
>Battery.
>- The Triborough, Throgs Neck, Whitestone and 59th Street bridges are
>open.
>
>
>Trains
>- Grand Central Station and Penn Station have both reopened and Long
>Island Railroad, Metro-North and New Jersey Transit are all running
>with limited service. PATH Trains are also in service.
>
>For additional updates and information, visit the following Web sites:
>
>Long Island Railroad (LIRR)
>http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emerlirr.htm
>
>Metro-North Railroad
>http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emermnr.htm
>
>New Jersey Transit
>http://www.njtransit.com/ta_advisorynotices.jsp
>
>
>Ferries
>- The Staten Island Ferry is running in the Staten Island-bound
>direction only.
>- New York Waterway Ferries are running outbound only between 38th St.,
>Weehawken and Hoboken with no charge.
>
>
>Airports
>- All U.S. airports are closed until further notice.
>
>Airline Information Lines:
>Relatives of American Airlines passengers seeking information about
>relatives may call 1-800-245-0999.
>
>United Airlines said friends or family members seeking information on
>flights may call 1-800-932-8555. United also plans to post any
>information it has on its Web site:
>http://www.united.com
>
>-----
>
>CLOSINGS AND SERVICE CHANGES
>
>The following are closed or suspended today:
>- All U.S. Financial Markets
>- All U.S. Airports
>- Businesses in Manhattan below 14th St.
>- New York City Public Schools
>- New York City Parochial Schools
>- Empire State Building
>- New York City State and Federal Courts, including Jury Duty. For
>information call 1-800-692-6878 (NY-COURTS)
>- Metropolitan Museum
>- New York Public Library
>- Fordham University
>- St. John's University
>- Mailbox Pickup (Post offices are open)
>- Street cleaning
>- Alternate side of the street parking rules
>
>The following are open today:
>- Newark Public Schools
>- Post Offices
>- CUNY schools
>
>
>-----
>
>Donations
>
>The United Way of New York and the New York Community Trust have
>established a fund to help the victims of the attacks and their
>families. The September Eleventh Fund will provide immediate support to
>established emergency assistance agencies. Anyone wishing to contribute
>may send their donations in care of United Way, 2 Park Ave, New York,
>New York, 10016, or call: (212) 251-4035.
>
>Donations are also being accepted on United Way of New York City's Web
>site:
>http://www.uwnyc.org.
>
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FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 00:00
SUBJ: [wwwac] Pale Blue Dot
On 9/12/01 at 11:46 PM -0400, Chris Poterala wrote:
> http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/pale_blue_dot.html
Thanks...
--
FROM: Andrew Gideon
DATE: Thu 00:01
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:09:25 -0400
>From: Brooklyn Linux Solutions <ruben@... >
>
>That doesn't suprise me. You tend to belittle thoses who disagree with
>you.
I don't expect you to see the difference, but I don't belittle
those that disagree with me. I do, however, aid in the process
when people spout off contrary to fact.
I suppose it's a personal failing. I really do enjoy a good
discussion, and even more a good debate. But when people just
ignore reality, then I get annoyed. First of all, there's
no joy anymore to the discussion. If reality is ignored, then
we've no common basis with which to communicate.
Second, it would be a disservice to this community if I
permitted the chance that anyone actually believes you.
Now, others have already commented upon your "no aircraft
overfly Midtown" comment, so I suppose the risk here is low.
>I've lived most of my life in the shadow of JFK and I am quite aware of
>plane traffic, and height.
Well, I guess that you've certainly better facts than
my documentation of arrivals, approachs, and departures
to/from the three major airports here. Why, I'm sure
that you're completely ready to fly in this airspace,
expert that you are, just from memory.
BTW, do you see what I've done? I've pointed out - again -
how you're ignoring facts, and preferring to go with your
own opinions w/o regard to reality, documentation, or the
like. True, I'm doing it in a sarcastic way. But it gets
tiring writing just "no, that's not correct".
A subtle difference to you, perhaps, but this is not quite
the same thing as if you and I were merely disagreeing about
some matter of opinion.
>Manhattan does not suffer the traffic heights of BCanarsie.
I don't know what this means.
> And I've flown
>in and out of all three airports numerous times and EVERY time they fly
>AROUND manhattan Island.
So no doubt the documentation I have is wrong. We should
notify the FAA, as this material is what pilots use to fly
to/from those airports.
>Yes, I would shoot down any Jet that verged into Manhattan air space below
>an accepted hieght. You can not have Jet Liners even by accident crashing
>into an office tower.
Based upon the accuracy of your other statements, I doubt it.
But if it's true, if you'd be willing to shoot down an aircraft
that might or might not hit something, just because there was
some risk of it hitting something, well, I'm glad that you're
not in charge.
But there's another point. In your reality, do you imagine
something like a Star Trek phaser, where you fire it and
the target disintegrates? Well, we don't quite have that
just yet. We're stuck with missiles that damage an aircraft,
but that leave debris in the air with the ex-aircraft's
kinetic energy.
Even if you do manage to break up the entire aircraft, that
debris is still going to cause a lot of damage (think of a
shotgun). And the chances are greater that you'd simply
render the aircraft unflyable, but still in a small number
of large pieces.
You've also mentioned altitude as a factor, claiming that
Manhatten is safe as long as the aircraft stay high when
crossing the island. But permit me to introduce Kinetic
Energy's friend, Potential Energy.
The class B airspace goes up only to 7000' MSL. Above
that is class E airspace. So our not-friendly airliner
might be up there, when the pilot decides to nose over.
Now, I've no idea how quickly this would exceed Vne,
or even whether the airframe would survive the descent.
But assuming 200 Kts (which would be at the far low
end!), you've about 19 seconds. And nothing you're going
to do is going to make much difference, because you're
about to have a major mass with lots of energy (and
likely a good bit of burning fuel) hit the city. The
number of chunks is of almost academic interest.
- Andrew
FROM: Eileen 'Turtle' Parzek
DATE: Wed 23:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] (amended): out of my stupor for a moment...
ps. You don't have to be homeless. Even if you're just looking for an
escape for a few days, some fresh air, whatever...
pps. I can offer wwwackie references that I'm not a hillbilly ax murderer ; )
> >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:34:06 -0400
> >To: wwwAC <wwwac@... >
> >From: Eileen 'Turtle' Parzek <turtle@... >
> >Subject: out of my stupor for a moment...
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >I am sorry I haven't thought of this earlier, in the midst of my own
> >stunned reactions to what happened down there... it just now occurred to
> >me that there must be a lot of people who live and work downtown who
> >can't go home or to work for a while... and I know this might seem like a
> >silly offer, but if anyone wants (or can) hop a train or a bus upstate, I
> >have sleeping space for two people here in Albany, NY. The air is
> >clean, and the weather gorgeous, <snip > and I'm between projects right
> >now so I could actually amuse guests for the next week if need
> >be. Email me or call the cell # below if I can help someone in this way.
>
>~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~
>Eileen "Turtle" Parzek ~ phone~ 518-505-6617
>http://www.turtlesweb.com mailto:turtle@...
>digital artist ~ information architect ~ project mgr ~ consultant
~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~
Eileen "Turtle" Parzek ~ phone~ 518-505-6617
http://www.turtlesweb.com mailto:turtle@...
digital artist ~ information architect ~ project mgr ~ consultant
FROM: Venessa Perez
DATE: Thu 00:04
SUBJ: [wwwac] Flag Image
Compared to the standard of some graphic artists in here? It's very
sub-standard, but I've seen way worse throughout the day and this one seems
to have a chance of catching on, unless someone in the list can do
something? I've gone through so many sites today and maybe 2 or 3 mentioned
anything about what has happened, I agree that our web sites should function
as usual but having an acknowledgement that this has indeed occured helps -
at least it does for me.
V...
----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "Venessa Perez" <venessa@... >; <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Flag Image
> On 9/12/01 at 11:15 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
>
> > I remember some in the list earlier were wondering if there were some
good
> > flag images to post on their web sites, well apperantly lycos.com had
the
> > same sentiment:
> >
> > http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp
>
> I'm not doubting the good intentions, but sheesh, it _is_ a little bit
> corny don't you think?
>
>
> --
> <http://www.monospace.com>
> You are visitor number one.
>
>
FROM: Scott Bowling
DATE: Thu 00:05
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:39:44 -0400
hens <hens@...> wrote:
>
> On 9/12/01 at 4:34 PM -0700, Scott Wickham wrote:
>
> > Here on the upper west side I can now smell the buring. Was
> > wondering if any recommendations about it.
>
> Don't breathe.
> Yes, the stench has been all over the city now that the winds have turned.
>
>from http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/wtc_healthhazards010911.html
Health Hazards
Attacks Pose Continued Dangers for Some
Doctors to New Yorkers: Stay Inside
And I just closed my windows (Upper East Side on 86th) because I was
smelling the smell, and when I went outside on the terrace to take a
look I was struck by the intensity of it as well as the haze everywhere.
Just incredible.
The above article discusses things like the potential risks, who is
most at risk as well as masks and how to deal with the situation.
Scott
FROM: Venessa Perez
DATE: Thu 00:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC
Last I heard the situations did not exist, the Empire bomb nor the
evacuation of Penn Station, this was stated by several officials. As for
staying in the office or going home, man wherever you feel the most safe.
Sleep tight,
V...
----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "Venessa Perez" <venessa@... >; <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC
> On 9/12/01 at 10:44 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
>
> > False Alarm.
>
> I can't find out anything about this. I live near the Empire State. Should
> I bother trying to get home or just crash at the office?
>
>
> --
> <http://www.monospace.com>
> You are visitor number one.
>
>
FROM: Roy Pardi
DATE: Thu 00:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] 'nother perspective
At 11:31 PM -0400 9/12/01, Michael Cervieri wrote:
><x-flowed >//www.commondreams.org/views01/0912-01.htm
>
>
> Who Saw It Coming?
> by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St Clair
>
Alexander Cockburn is an ass. Don't you know that yet?
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FROM: Brooklyn Linux Solutions
DATE: Thu 00:11
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now
I expect it to have less debrise, than say, 2 World Trade.
--
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http://www.brooklynonline.com
1-718-382-5752
FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Wed 22:35
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning
At 10:07 PM -0400 9/12/01, Frank D. Greco wrote:
> When I arrived home in NJ via ferry, they hosed everyone
> upon arrival. I'm sure they are concerned about asbestos
> dust, since the towers were built a while back.
my father is currently suffering from asbestos-related cancer ... I
think the asbestos restrictions were instituted in the early 70s. The
Towers were built in 1973, so you could be right.
--
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c 917 407 6825 im joannawnyc web http://joannaw.com
content strategy/information architecture/competitive intelligence
what is "ubiquitous platforms"? find out at http://www.joannaw.com/ubiq
FROM: Brigitte.Defoort@...
DATE: Thu 00:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC
THANKS ! :) a l o t !
SWEET DREAMS
Brigitte Defoort
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NYC: +1 917 215 0338
NYC: +1 646 710 1912
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-----Original Message-----
From: Venessa Perez <mailto:venessa@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:10 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC
Last I heard the situations did not exist, the Empire bomb nor the
evacuation of Penn Station, this was stated by several officials. As for
staying in the office or going home, man wherever you feel the most safe.
Sleep tight,
V...
----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "Venessa Perez" <venessa@... >; <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC
> On 9/12/01 at 10:44 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
>
> > False Alarm.
>
> I can't find out anything about this. I live near the Empire State. Should
> I bother trying to get home or just crash at the office?
>
>
> --
> <http://www.monospace.com>
> You are visitor number one.
>
>
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FROM: Scott Bowling
DATE: Thu 00:17
SUBJ: [wwwac] (amended): out of my stupor for a moment...
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:58:18 -0400
"Eileen 'Turtle' Parzek" <turtle@... > wrote:
>
> ps. You don't have to be homeless. Even if you're just looking for an
> escape for a few days, some fresh air, whatever...
>
> pps. I can offer wwwackie references that I'm not a hillbilly ax murderer ; )
>
Oh, yeah. I can certainly attest to the fact that she's no hillbilly.
And maybe the other point is like the guy from Sling Blade, "Don't
recall ever using an axe before."
Scott
(apologies for the gallows humor -- still not quite phased with reality)
FROM: Timothy Embler
DATE: Wed 21:16
SUBJ: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC
It is confirmed that they evacuated empire state bldg but unconfirmed if
they evacuated penn station.
I am home, glad to be here too.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Venessa Perez [mailto:venessa@...
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:10 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC
Last I heard the situations did not exist, the Empire bomb nor the
evacuation of Penn Station, this was stated by several officials. As for
staying in the office or going home, man wherever you feel the most
safe.
Sleep tight,
V...
----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "Venessa Perez" <venessa@... >; <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC
> On 9/12/01 at 10:44 PM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
>
> > False Alarm.
>
> I can't find out anything about this. I live near the Empire State.
> Should I bother trying to get home or just crash at the office?
>
>
> --
> <http://www.monospace.com>
> You are visitor number one.
>
>
FROM: Brooklyn Linux Solutions
DATE: Thu 00:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now
I see planes in an tango line heading to JFK from my house as well. But
they are not dropped down. Really, there is no need to fly over Manhattan
at all. They can redirect flight patterns around Manhattan in a circle. I
never flew OVER Manhattan.
Really, the air space, like the coast line, needs military control.
Ruben
On 2001.09.13 00:28:02 -0400 Peter Shankman wrote:
OK, perhaps they're going into Newark, then. But I can tell you, looking
North out of my 25th floor window, there are lines of planes. Lines. All
night, up until late, every night. First time visitors to my apartment
always seem to notice it.
-Peter
At 09:21 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Brooklyn Linux Solutions wrote:
>At a Height.
>
>
>BTW - The route to Laugaurdia is around Manhattan over the Triboro Brigde
>into
>LI Sound to Lagardia...
>
>It is not - cross Midtwon Manhattan at low height.
>
>
>Ruben
>
>On 2001.09.13 00:21:42 -0400 Peter Shankman wrote:
>Are you kidding? I live on 43rd St on the West Side, and every single
>night, there's a line of planes going into LaGuardia, into Newark, etc...
>Planes fly over the city ALL the time. I've done 30 second exposures with
>my camera, and you'll see 3, 4, 5, even six lines of light.
>
>-Peter
>
>At 08:28 PM 9/12/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >I've never seens a plane fly over head in Manhattan
> >
> >It's just a matter of keeping planes on the correct routes, or shoot
them
> >down.
> >
> >Air Space above NYC and Mnahattan is controlled. Now it need to be
> >controlled by force.
>
>
>
>Peter Shankman
>peter@...
>www.shankman.com
>
>"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
>Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
>Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
>As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."
>
>
>--
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>http://www.brooklynonline.com
>
>1-718-382-5752
Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com
"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."
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FROM: Josh & Valerie McCormack
DATE: Thu 00:25
SUBJ: [wwwac] Emergency Web Site Assistance
yes, on an "hourly basis"
grimmwerks@... wrote:
> Perhaps she was donating her time.
>
> On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, mike dizon wrote:
>
> > you are no better than the looters in Brooklyn
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: May S. Young <may@... >
> > To: WWWAC Listserve <wwwac@... >
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:28 PM
> > Subject: [wwwac] Emergency Web Site Assistance
> >
> >
> > > Hello Fellow WWWAC's.
> > >
> > > I was just curious to see if there are any NYC or Federal based
> > > emergency web sites that needs a hand with updating information on an
> > > hourly (or less) basis. I'm a web designer with HTML and Javascript
> > > experience.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > Thanx.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > May S. Young
> > >
> > > h i r e g u n . c o m
> > > --------------------------------------------
> > > graphics for web and multimedia
> > >
> > > contact - may s. young
> > > vox - 845 365 1903
> > > email - may@...
> > > URL - http://www.hiregun.com
FROM: Martha Bernholz
DATE: Wed 22:20
SUBJ: [wwwac] I know this is unrealistic but... HELP!
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My brother-in-law was on the 105th of the north tower. I am in New Mexico
and my family is frantic. They have made the rounds of the all the hospitals
and there is simply no sign of him.
What we need, and what many many people need, is an up to date online
database of who is in what hospital. I know this is unrealistic, but is
this something someone there can try to do?
I know there are a number of "we are ok" lists, but the sites are
overwhelmed.
Thanks,
Martha
..............................................................
Martha Bernholz
Creative Director, Ziamedia
http://www.ziamedia.com
Intelligent Web Design
877.726.7717
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FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 00:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild, rebuild!!
On 9/12/01 at 9:51 PM -0400, eric wrote:
> >Let them rebuild. Let the new center be a beacon of information and
> >communication.....
>
> What would it cost to use structual titanium?
Uhm... about the difference in price between a G4 PowerBook and an iBook?
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FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 00:26
SUBJ: [wwwac] Penn Station and Empire State Building EVAC
Good. It would have been a little bit surprising, considered that that
block has been cordoned off since Tuesday morning.
Then again, it now is once more New York's tallest building :(
On 9/13/01 at 12:10 AM -0700, Venessa Perez wrote:
> Last I heard the situations did not exist, the Empire bomb nor the
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FROM: mrs.j.hart
DATE: Thu 00:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] Give A Shout Out Please
> It's an odd thing. I was thinking a lot today about a market strategist
who worked Cantor Fitzgerald.
i read Todd Harrison in Real Money referring to Bill Meehan.102nd floor...
doesn't inspire much hope...
thanks to you and paul for responding - glad for offlist responses too.
who am i? who is mr.j?
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Ellis <rickontv@... >
To: <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Give A Shout Out Please
> >
> >there are levels of friendship and communication...
> >
> >i wouldn't be thinking about certain people under other circumstances -
the
> >distant family member and friends of friends such as their AA flight
> >attendant buddies i've met socially (yet i couldn't be sure i'd recognize
> >their names). i'm thinking about them now because i haven't heard
anything
> >and it's unsettling.
> >
>
> I've had similiar experiences during the past couple of days. There are
> quite a few folks I know from my financial reporting days who worked at
some
> of the companies who seemed to have lost much of their staff. They worked
in
> offices located at the top of one or both towers, and most of them are
> presumed dead.
>
> It's an odd thing. I was thinking a lot today about a market strategist
who
> worked Cantor Fitzgerald. No official word yet, but I've gotten a number
of
> calls from people today wanting to know if I've heard anything about him.
I
> can't say we knew each other all that well, but I talked to him every
week,
> and he was much nicer to me than he should have been, given our respective
> positions in the industry. He was a well-known figure and I was just a
grunt
> reporter. He didn't need to be so helpful. He was because he was just a
> hellofa guy.
>
> I have a sinking feeling he didn't make it. And I have the same suspicions
> about a number of other people I dealt with on a regular basis. They're
not
> family...or even close friends. But the world will seem a little less
bright
> without them.
>
> This can be a sad, hard life sometimes. And my thoughts go out to all of
> their loved ones.
>
> Rick Ellis
> www.allyourtv.com
>
>
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FROM: Scott Bowling
DATE: Thu 00:31
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning
On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:35:31 -0400
Joanna Wissinger <joanna@... > wrote:
>
> At 10:07 PM -0400 9/12/01, Frank D. Greco wrote:
>
> >When I arrived home in NJ via ferry, they hosed everyone upon
> >arrival. I'm sure they are concerned about asbestos dust, since the
> >towers were built a while back.
>
> my father is currently suffering from asbestos-related cancer ... I
> think the asbestos restrictions were instituted in the early 70s. The
> Towers were built in 1973, so you could be right.
>
Especially since the Towers were actually opened in 70, with the
official ribbon cutting in 73. Groundbreaking was August 5, 1966.
Your father's situation is tragic, and I hope that everyone risking
exposure is wearing enough protection to prevent further tragedy.
Scott
FROM: Thomas Walser
DATE: Thu 01:02
SUBJ: [wwwac] earthlink access not working
hi,
i've been offline for about 24 hours now and have therefore had over 400
emails from this list which i did not really read. so, i may be wrong,
but i don't think that this has been discussed -- does anyone know what
is going on with earthlink?
i understand that they are cooperating with the fbi and handing them
over all sorts of user information. why would this disable their dsl
service, though? i was online yesterday until sometime in the evening,
so i don't think my service interruption was a direct result of the
attack. i called today to get tech support and asked if the
interruption had to do with an fbi investigation, and the guy told me he
couldn't comment. also, for a few hours, i received 2 copies of most of
my emails -- were there 2 versions of my account somewhere for a while?
i'd appreciate any insight.
hope everyone is doing as well as possible. this whole thing's really
fucking with my head.
-tom
FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 01:07
SUBJ: [wwwac] 3 minute silence
I'm reading the Dutch newspapers. Apparently, in all of Europe, Friday has
been declared a day of mourning. Three minutes of silence are announced at
noon this Friday. And that's in Europe, folks.
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FROM: Jay Sulzberger
DATE: Thu 01:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] The tragedy in NYC (fwd)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 12 Sep 2001 19:11:23 -0400
From: Perry E. Metzger <perry@... >
To: cryptography@...
Subject: The tragedy in NYC
[I sent this originally yesterday, but the, er, problems our mail
server in downtown New York suffered for a while caused some
delay. Another copy was published on Dave Farber's interesting
people. Several people wrote me afterwards vilifying me. Ah well.
The list is now running on a new machine in Virginia, which
should be safe even as more buildings collapse and burn. --Perry]
In the wake of the tragedy in NYC today, I was asked by someone if I
didn't now agree that crypto was a munition. At the time, I thought
that a friend of mine was likely dead. (I've since learned he escaped
in time.)
My answer then, when I thought I'd lost a friend, was the same as my
answer now and the answer I've always had.
Cryptography must remain freely available to all.
In coming months, politicians will flail about looking for freedoms to
eliminate to "curb the terrorist threat". They will see an opportunity
to grandstand and enhance their careers, an opportunity to show they
are "tough on terrorists".
We must remember throughout that you cannot preserve freedom by
eliminating it. The problem is not a lack of laws banning things.
I know the pressure on everyone in Washington will be to "do
something". Speaking as a New Yorker who dearly loves this city, who
has felt deep shock throughout most of the day, watching the smoke
still rising from the fires to the south of me, listening to the
ambulances and police cars continuing to wail about me, let me say
this:
I do not want more laws passed in the name of defending my home.
I do not want more freedoms eliminated to "preserve freedom".
I do not want to trade my freedom for safety. Franklin has said far
more eloquently than me why that is worthless.
If you must do something, send out more investigators to find those
responsible for this and bring them to justice. Pass no new laws. Take
away no freedoms. Do not destroy the reason I live here to give me
"safety". I'd rather die in a terrorist attack.
--
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FROM: Kathy Forer
DATE: Wed 23:49
SUBJ: [wwwac] ALT parking?
At 10:06 PM -0400 9/12/01, Scott Bowling wrote:
>The usual time to check is after 6am any day, so the radio stations and
>cable channels might not know anything until then. You can check the
>official web site:
>
> http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/dot/html/travroad/scrintro.html
This link doesn't work for me.
>
>Which pretty much says you should call the following number for current
>status:
>
> 212 or 718 CALLDOT (225-5368)
Well, thank you. That's all I wanted to know.
I don't see how anyone can accuse me of anything as petty as you seem
to ascribe. If I asked who knew about school openings and closings,
would I have gotten the same reaction?
Would it be extraneous or frivolous to take a shower in the morning?
Hell, I don't even LIVE here anymore. Hence the car. I moved it.
Thanks.
>
>HTH,
>
>Scott
FROM: Eric Berg
DATE: Thu 01:06
SUBJ: [wwwac] planes still in the air?
While we were walking our two young sons from Canal St. to my
mother-in-law's place at 84th and Park, we heard the planes. "Don't
worry, Jake, they're military planes."
"Ours?" he asked looking up at me. He just turned 5.
I was really glad to be able to say yes definitively.
His school is 4 blocks from the WTC. He was very close running home
with his mom, and saw the first tower collapse. He's starting to
remember everything, including his seeing the bodies flying out of the
building.
-Eric.
Timothy Embler: [Tuesday 11-September]:
> Military planes.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Walser [mailto:tjwal@...
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:27 PM
> To: wwwac@...
> Subject: [wwwac] planes still in the air?
>
>
> anyone else hearing planes in the air? if so, does anyone know what
> they are?
>
--
Eric D. Berg <eberg@... >
http://nylug.org/~eberg
Tel. 212-974-1041
Cell. 646-418-3608
AIM: RickyBerg
ICQ: eberg/83988870
FROM:
DATE: Thu 01:16
SUBJ: [wwwac] FYI WTC survivor database
http://wtc.ny.com/
Rachel
FROM: Deborah Barber
DATE: Thu 01:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] inappropriate spam
I just received life insurance spam at my NYU address with the subject line
"We can help." I myself am fine, but the timing couldn't be worse of course.
Usually I just delete this crap, but this really burns me up. So what is my
next step? It has an URL in the message, so the owner of the site can be
found through Whois. What next?
Deborah
--
*******************
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deborah@...
www.hexidecibel.org
FROM: Eric Berg
DATE: Thu 01:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] Holy Smoke
It should be noted that marshall law has not been imposed and it's
past midnight on Wednesday, 13 Sep 2001.
New Yorkers and Americans everywhere are volunteering and working
together with the military and civic agencies. So far, seems like
we're keeping our collective heads.
-Eric.
Ari: [Tuesday 11-September]:
>
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Kathy Forer wrote:
>
> > At 10:08 AM -0400 9/11/01, Ari wrote:
> > >it's only war if we know who did it.
> >
> > So much for star wars.
> >
> > Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine ??? just claimed
> > responsibility.
>
> if this is true, any prospects for peace in the middle east have just
> circled the bowl and went down the drain.
>
> i'm also worried that this is only one aspect of the attack and that there
> will be further incidents.
>
> i predict marshall law or at least curfews in the city within 24hrs.
FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Wed 22:41
SUBJ: [wwwac] planes still in the air?
My nephew and was in that school.
My sister had just dropped him off and was going to
work when first plane hit.
She went back to get him from school and on way out
with him the second hit.
--- Eric Berg <eberg@... > wrote:
> While we were walking our two young sons from Canal
> St. to my
> mother-in-law's place at 84th and Park, we heard the
> planes. "Don't
> worry, Jake, they're military planes."
>
> "Ours?" he asked looking up at me. He just turned
> 5.
>
> I was really glad to be able to say yes
> definitively.
>
> His school is 4 blocks from the WTC. He was very
> close running home
> with his mom, and saw the first tower collapse.
> He's starting to
> remember everything, including his seeing the bodies
> flying out of the
> building.
>
> -Eric.
>
> Timothy Embler: [Tuesday 11-September]:
>
> > Military planes.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas Walser [mailto:tjwal@...
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:27 PM
> > To: wwwac@...
> > Subject: [wwwac] planes still in the air?
> >
> >
> > anyone else hearing planes in the air? if so,
> does anyone know what
> > they are?
> >
>
> --
> Eric D. Berg <eberg@... >
> http://nylug.org/~eberg
> Tel. 212-974-1041
> Cell. 646-418-3608
> AIM: RickyBerg
> ICQ: eberg/83988870
=====
Scott Wickham
74th st,201w apt#14K Huge 1 Bedroom apt
Check it out http://www.webnyc.com
for Sale by owner
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FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Wed 22:44
SUBJ: [wwwac] Holy Smoke
I think anyone who is a native new yorker is not
surprised. We are tough bastards.
--- Eric Berg <eberg@... > wrote:
> It should be noted that marshall law has not been
> imposed and it's
> past midnight on Wednesday, 13 Sep 2001.
>
> New Yorkers and Americans everywhere are
> volunteering and working
> together with the military and civic agencies. So
> far, seems like
> we're keeping our collective heads.
>
> -Eric.
>
>
> Ari: [Tuesday 11-September]:
>
> >
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Kathy Forer wrote:
> >
> > > At 10:08 AM -0400 9/11/01, Ari wrote:
> > > >it's only war if we know who did it.
> > >
> > > So much for star wars.
> > >
> > > Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine
> ??? just claimed
> > > responsibility.
> >
> > if this is true, any prospects for peace in the
> middle east have just
> > circled the bowl and went down the drain.
> >
> > i'm also worried that this is only one aspect of
> the attack and that there
> > will be further incidents.
> >
> > i predict marshall law or at least curfews in the
> city within 24hrs.
=====
Scott Wickham
74th st,201w apt#14K Huge 1 Bedroom apt
Check it out http://www.webnyc.com
for Sale by owner
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FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 01:41
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
To express solidarity with the people targeted by these attacks, please feel free to use these icons I designed as you like on Web pages, in email, etc.
http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
Paul
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FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 01:41
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:
http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon
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FROM: Scott Wickham
DATE: Wed 22:53
SUBJ: [wwwac] 4 lines by 32 letters , what should I say
I have a prepaid ad in the NYtimes realestate section
for sunday. I wont be having an open house for obvious
reason. I want to use the space to say something. But
words fail me.
Suggestions please.
=====
Scott Wickham
74th st,201w apt#14K Huge 1 Bedroom apt
Check it out http://www.webnyc.com
for Sale by owner
__________________________________________________
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FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 01:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
On 9/13/01 at 1:41 AM -0400, Paul Henry Smith wrote:
> http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
Paul. Nice design.
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FROM: Nmuta Jones
DATE: Thu 02:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] Dreamweaver question
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FROM: Karl Cooper
DATE: Thu 02:20
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
I like the idea. The view from Jersey is quite moving. You should submit
this idea. The only thing is, I believe another WTC will be build in its
place. However, the memorial can reside on the concourse level between the
buildings.
>From: Paul Henry Smith <phs@... >
>To: wwwac@...
>Subject: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:41:13 -0400
>
>
>... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:
>
>
> http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon
>
>
>
>
>--
>
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FROM: Karl Cooper
DATE: Thu 02:21
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
Makes a GREAT tee shirt.
>From: hens <hens@...>
>To: Paul Henry Smith <phs@... >, wwwac@...
>Subject: Re: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:58:29 -0400
>
>On 9/13/01 at 1:41 AM -0400, Paul Henry Smith wrote:
>
> > http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
>
>Paul. Nice design.
>
>
>
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FROM: Nmuta Jones
DATE: Thu 02:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] Disregard Dreamweaver question
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FROM: Karl Cooper
DATE: Thu 02:23
SUBJ: [wwwac] 4 lines by 32 letters , what should I say
I think "GOD BLESS AMERICA" says it all.
>From: Scott Wickham <nylscottw@... >
>To: wwwac <wwwac@... >
>Subject: [wwwac] 4 lines by 32 letters , what should I say
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:53:15 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I have a prepaid ad in the NYtimes realestate section
>for sunday. I wont be having an open house for obvious
>reason. I want to use the space to say something. But
>words fail me.
>
>Suggestions please.
>
>=====
>Scott Wickham
>
>74th st,201w apt#14K Huge 1 Bedroom apt
>Check it out http://www.webnyc.com
>for Sale by owner
>
>__________________________________________________
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FROM: ujin_c
DATE: Wed 23:47
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
how would you pronounce that. "i ??? ny"?
i don't think it's a good idea to equate an icon of new york city with a
military institution.
nice try though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "hens" <hens@...>
To: "Paul Henry Smith" <phs@... >; <wwwac@... >
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
> On 9/13/01 at 1:41 AM -0400, Paul Henry Smith wrote:
>
> > http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
>
> Paul. Nice design.
>
>
>
> --
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> You are visitor number one.
FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 02:31
SUBJ: [wwwac] 4 lines by 32 letters , what should I say
On 9/13/01 at 2:23 AM -0400, Karl Cooper wrote:
> I think "GOD BLESS AMERICA" says it all.
And then some.
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FROM: hens
DATE: Thu 02:37
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
On 9/12/01 at 11:47 PM -0700, ujin_c wrote:
> how would you pronounce that. "i ??? ny"?
>
> i don't think it's a good idea to equate an icon of new york city with a
> military institution.
Seems like a worthy point. But then again, I loved Apple's posters for the
NYC Mac Expo, that basically said "I [red apple] NY" and still, the
original (heart) icon is so strong, it can handle that.
What I like most about Paul's design is how it shows both the Towers and
the Pentagon, but the pentagram could easily be seen as a heart turned
inside out....
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FROM: Eric Berg
DATE: Thu 02:29
SUBJ: [wwwac] Emergency Web Site Assistance
If you do find any information on this, may, please post it to the
list.
Thanks.
-Eric.
May S. Young: [Wednesday 12-September]:
> For those people who thought that my post implied that I was looking for work,
> THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE.
>
> I JUST WANT TO VOLUNTEER MY TIME.
>
> If anyone can refer me to any city or federal agency web sites that needs
> VOLUNTEERS to update information on their sites, please let me know.
>
> I apologize for any confusion.
>
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> May S. Young
>
> h i r e g u n . c o m
> --------------------------------------------
> graphics for web and multimedia
>
> contact - may s. young
> vox - 845 365 1903
> email - may@...
> URL - http://www.hiregun.com
>
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FROM: Rebecca Donnison
DATE: Thu 16:42
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
Great design Paul. I have already added one to my website.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Henry Smith" <phs@... >
To: <wwwac@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:41 PM
Subject: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
>
> To express solidarity with the people targeted by these attacks, please
feel free to use these icons I designed as you like on Web pages, in email,
etc.
>
> http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
>
>
>
> Paul
> --
>
> ____________________________________________________
> phs@... http://www.panix.com/~phs
FROM: Jay Sulzberger
DATE: Thu 02:37
SUBJ: [wwwac] Eric Hughes sings... (fwd)
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Subject: Eric Hughes sings...
http://www.inet-one.com.my/cypherpunks/current/msg00406.html
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2001 September 12
An Open Letter on Privacy and Anonymity
Fellow Citizens of the United States of America:
I am moved to write as a founder of a movement that, far beyond my own
efforts, has eloquently expressed an ideal, the ideal of privacy in
society. Privacy is not uniquely American, yet it is at the core of the
American ideal, at the core of free speech that enables human connection,
at the core of free association that builds society up from a savage state,
at the core of liberty. I helped to start cypherpunks, a movement for
privacy in the digital world. Cypherpunks is a diverse movement with no
explicit doctrine, yet with a deep shared desire for human liberty.
Let none who call me friend say that the events of September 11 are
anything other than a dark day upon humanity. In the midst of the
violence, I see a thirst for the taste of the blood of vengeance in the
mouths of many of my fellow citizens. I see that destruction will
ineluctably ride upon the opponents of the country of these my fellow
citizens. So be it. I do not seek here to forestall or to avoid the
violence directed toward the perpetrators of these deeds.
I write as a citizen of the United States that our country may avoid a
self-inflicted wound against liberty. The terrorists have struck a blow
against liberty, it is said. The terrorists will strike again, it is
said. I say to all, let us not strike the second blow against
ourselves. Today we are seeking an enemy unknown, an enemy who is hiding,
as well they ought to. The thirst that drives our country forward now
cannot be slaked without the apprehension of those responsible, and we have
yet to identify or find them. We now have a great temptation before us, to
lash out at those amongst ourselves who may be thought to have given succor
to our enemies, at those amongst ourselves who may be thought to still
provide them solace and deception, and at those amongst ourselves whom some
dislike for unrelated reasons.
I wish to repeat again the words of Governor Davis of California, who spoke
yesterday that "we are all Americans." We are all Americans, and we should
not attack ourselves. We are all Americans, and we should not fight each
other in the streets. We are all Americans, and we should not turn our law
enforcement apparatus and our national security infrastructure against the
very liberties that we all hold dear. The goal of these terrorists is to
restrict freedoms in America, to steal its essence and to weaken it. I
shall pray we do not cooperate with this their goal in a hot-headed rush to
immediate results. Let the anger of this country be cold and calmly
directed, that the accompaniment of wrath be precision.
The terrorists are cowards, it is said. Shall America be a coward to
itself? We have an excess of strength to expend upon our opponents, be
they external or internal. We will find that there are internal champions
of liberty that have without conspiracy or knowledge furthered the plans of
our opponents, who have taken advantage of the liberties that America
offers all who enter her shores. Many of these champions I know
personally, because cypherpunks have enabled liberty on-line to all takers,
without discrimination and without distinction. Let the prevailing wrath
be directed not against those to promote liberty, but those who consciously
seek to destroy it.
We need not curtail our liberty in order to save it. The message is
seductive that we may more effectively fight for liberty if we limit our
freedoms for a time whose end has yet to be announced. Yet this is not the
message of America, but of several of its vanquished enemies. For liberty
is not fair-weather clothing that may only be worn when the weather is
good. Liberty is rather the jewel in the locket, the most prized
possession short of family and life itself. We diminish ourselves if we
rationalize our freedom away in an evanescent fog of rhetoric about
efficiency. Liberty is not efficient; it is expensive and tortuous, and as
an American people we desire it before most everything else.
As we enter a new century, let us demonstrate the true strength of an open
society -- that it can withstand the threat of demagoguery even as it
remains a powerful actor against an external threat. This is the ideal
that our strength may manifest, that a democracy may express its power as a
democracy itself, and not as a police state masquerading as one.
I stand with the Federal Congress and sing "America, my home, sweet
home." For I live upon this land and soil, with other people who have set
their lives along the course of freedom. I pray that we may all pass
through this dark time with the dignity of our own ideals intact, that we
may pass through to the other side with renewed vigor to pursue the cause
of freedom over all the earth. My heart grieves with those who have lost,
yet it also rejoices that we might yet undergo this ordeal as a country and
emerge stronger and more faithful to our own nature.
May peace be with you all, with the fullness of your existence in tow.
Eric Hughes
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FROM: Jonathan Kopp
DATE: Thu 01:51
SUBJ: [wwwac] Please...
I just came off of sitting in a bar listening to a man talk about how "sand
niggers have to die" I asked if Arab babies have to die too and he said yes.
People please, stop the hate rhetoric. Please don't kill babies. Please
don't allow babies to come to harm. I know we are all hurting and want
revenge, but please have mercy y'all.
Don't kill and don't let hate consume you. That's the only real hope we
have.
JK
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FROM: Jay Sulzberger
DATE: Thu 03:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] [nyc-geeks] Communication services for those in shelters (fwd)
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:48:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Klos <john@... >
Reply-To: nyc-geeks@...
To: nyc-geeks@...
Subject: [nyc-geeks] Communication services for those in shelters
Hello,
I am planning on bringing communications equipment to Chelsea Peers
tomorrow evening to try to help people to get in contact with their
family, friends, and/or loved ones.
Anyone who would like to help please call me on LI at 516.249.1313, email
me (john@... or ytalk (jean@...
I'd like to bring a single physically small Unix machine that will accept
mail for deferred delivery and as many laptops as possible.
People at the shelters who want to get word out can send email, and since
I expect no Internet services at the shelters, I will take the Unix
machine to Level3 and send the email from there.
Anyone who has time, energy, and/or laptop(s) is welcome to come along.
Let me know.
John
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FROM: Gilbert Midonnet
DATE: Thu 04:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
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actually I would like to see two new, taller buildings put up in their
place.
Generally I'm opposed to such buildings, but this time I can think of no
better memorial, and no better way to lift our spirits than to see two new
buildings rising out of the rubble.
If we have to put patriot missile launchers on the roof (aaack, what a
repulsive thing to have to do) then so be it.
-- gilbert midonnet
by the way paul, if new buildings aren't put in their place those beacons
are a wonderful suggestion.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Henry Smith <mailto:phs@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:41 AM
To: wwwac@...
Subject: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:
http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon
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FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 04:56
SUBJ: [wwwac] 4 lines by 32 letters , what should I say
how's this?
Don't underestimate the power of change you have as an individual. Massive
relief and action are made possible by the decision of one person at a
time. Let's unite, let's pray, let's stand together against terrorism!
it's a bit over - but you can tweak it!
carole
FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 04:58
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning
There were test made early this am - report was at 4:30 am - that the level
of air meets satisfactory ones.
carole
FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 05:07
SUBJ: [wwwac] Survivors + Contact sites as of Sept 13 - 5 am
here's the list I have so far:
http://wtc.ny.com/
http://www.ny.com/wtclist.html
http://www.shunn.net/okay/
http://safe.millennium.berkeley.edu/
http://okay.prodigy.net/
http://www.viexpo.com/dmstest/america.html
carole
FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 05:16
SUBJ: [wwwac] survivors + message url list as of 5am - sept 13
ere's the list of survivors sites I have so far:
http://wtc.ny.com/
http://www.ny.com/wtclist.html
http://www.shunn.net/okay/
http://safe.millennium.berkeley.edu/
http://okay.prodigy.net/
http://www.viexpo.com/dmstest/america.html
carole
FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 05:23
SUBJ: [wwwac] survivors lists + messages sites updated as of 5 am - sept 13
here's the list of survivors sites I have so far:
http://wtc.ny.com/
http://www.ny.com/wtclist.html
http://www.shunn.net/okay/
http://safe.millennium.berkeley.edu/
http://okay.prodigy.net/
http://www.viexpo.com/dmstest/america.html
carole
FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 05:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] multiple posting sorry
carole
FROM: Gerard McGovern
DATE: Thu 11:18
SUBJ: [wwwac] Blogs
Hi,
If anyone is running a blog out there or just wants to include an update
page on their site, take a peek at:
http://www.notsosoft.com/update/.
It basically provides a centrally run piece of code that you can place on
your site to add news articles, emergency information etc.
Peace, love and respect.
G in London - www.inkiboo.com
gerard@...
Text copied from the site (http://www.notsosoft.com/update/)
News and Resources: Events of 11/09/01
For a medium and a community powered by words, it's hard to know what to
write when something as unbelievably, horrifyingly real as this happens.
All over the world, personal publishers and webloggers are finding unique
and highly personal ways to respond to the tragedy which occured in the
U.S. on September 11 2001.
This infoshare update is not intended to take the place of any individual
responses - neither is it supposed to be a substitute for news sources.
This communal infoshare is intended to act as an information point,
updated centrally and able to be syndicated across many personal
websites, providing useful information, major headlines and ways to find
more information or news or support.
If you would like to include this infoshare on your site, please follow
the inclusion instructions below. If you have a link to suggest, please
let us know.
Our thoughts are with those directly affected by this horrible tragedy,
their families, friends and loved ones.
FROM: Stephen Gilliard
DATE: Thu 03:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] Emergency Services Information for the N.Y.C. Area
Emergency Services Information for the N.Y.C. Area
New York City-area Emergency Services and Resources
From
The New York Times on the Web
Wednesday, September 12, 2001
---------------------------------
NYTimes.com has compiled the following list of
emergency resources and
contact information for the New York City area.
Closings and some
contact numbers may be subject to change. For news and
information
throughout the day, visit:
http://www.nytimes.com
BLOOD DONATIONS
Manhattan
- New York Blood Center
310 East 67th Street (between First and Second Aves.)
150 Amsterdam Avenue (66-67th Streets)
- St. Clare's Hospital & Health Center
426 W. 52nd St.
212-586-1500
- St. Vincent's Hospital & Medical Center
7th Ave. at 11th St.
212-604-7000
Brooklyn
- New York Blood Center
120 Lawrence St. near MetroTech
212-586-1500
- St. Mary's Hospital
170 Buffalo Ave.
718-221-3000
Queens
- Flushing: St. Joseph's Hospital
15840 79th Ave.
718-558-6200
- Jamaica: St. Vincent's Medical Center of Richmond
355 Bard Ave.
718-876-1234
Staten Island
- Mary Immaculate Hospital
15211 89th Ave.
718-558-2000
Westchester
- Elmsford
525 Executive Boulevard
New Jersey
- New Brunswick
167 New Street
For more details on available donor locations, call
1-800-448-3543
(GIVE-LIFE), 1-800-933-2566 or visit:
http://www.nybloodcenter.org
-----
HOTLINES
Main New York City Numbers:
- NYC Emergency Information: 212-560-2730
- NYPD Emergency Information: 212-741-4626 or
866-856-4167
Airlines:
- American Airlines: 1-800-245-0999
American Airlines Statement
http://www.aa.com/
- United Airlines: 1-800-932-8555
United Airlines Statement
http://www.ual.com/
United also has established its international
toll-free numbers for
friends or family members who want more information.
Those numbers are:
The Netherlands: 020504051
Germany: 06966985407
Italy: 024829813
Belgium: 027133646
France: 0169199659
Victim Information:
- Red Cross WTC Victim Information: 212-604-7285
- WTC: AON Employees: 203-863-6380
- WTC: Morgan Stanley Employees: 888-883-4391
- WTC: Carr Future: 800-755-7620
- WTC: Cantor Fitzgerald: 866-326-3188
- WTC: Pitney Bowes: 800-932-3631
- Pentagon Employees: 1-877-663-6772
- Fire Department and EMT Employees: 718-999-2541
- Police Department Employees: 718-677-8238
New York City Hospitals:
- St. Vincent's Hospital: 212-604-7285
- Bellevue Hospital Center: 212-562-4141
- Coler Memorial Hospital: 212-848-6300
- Goldwater Memorial Hospital: 212-318-8000
- Gouverneur Hospital D&TC: 212-238-7000
Other City Services:
- City Mortuary: 212-562-3051
- Chief Medical Examiner: 212-447-2030
Grief Counseling:
- Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center:
718-579-5000
- Metropolitan Hospital Center: 212-423-6262
- St. Vincent's Health Crisis Center: 212-604-8220
- Department of Mental Health Services: 212-442-5000
-----
TRANSIT
Subways:
Most service has resumed with the exception of the 3,
C, and the Q
Express.
City Buses:
Buses are operating in Manhattan above 14th Street.
For complete details on bus and subway service, visit
the MTA Web site:
http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emernyct.htm
Roads, Bridges and Tunnels:
- The Lincoln and Holland Tunnels and George
Washington Bridge are
closed in both directions.
- FDR Drive and the West Side Highway are closed from
92nd St. to the
Battery.
- The Triborough, Throgs Neck, Whitestone and 59th
Street bridges are
open.
Trains
- Grand Central Station and Penn Station have both
reopened and Long
Island Railroad, Metro-North and New Jersey Transit
are all running
with limited service. PATH Trains are also in service.
For additional updates and information, visit the
following Web sites:
Long Island Railroad (LIRR)
http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emerlirr.htm
Metro-North Railroad
http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emermnr.htm
New Jersey Transit
http://www.njtransit.com/ta_advisorynotices.jsp
Ferries
- The Staten Island Ferry is running in the Staten
Island-bound
direction only.
- New York Waterway Ferries are running outbound only
between 38th St.,
Weehawken and Hoboken with no charge.
Airports
- All U.S. airports are closed until further notice.
Airline Information Lines:
Relatives of American Airlines passengers seeking
information about
relatives may call 1-800-245-0999.
United Airlines said friends or family members seeking
information on
flights may call 1-800-932-8555. United also plans to
post any
information it has on its Web site:
http://www.united.com
-----
CLOSINGS AND SERVICE CHANGES
The following are closed or suspended today:
- All U.S. Financial Markets
- All U.S. Airports
- Businesses in Manhattan below 14th St.
- New York City Public Schools
- New York City Parochial Schools
- Empire State Building
- New York City State and Federal Courts, including
Jury Duty. For
information call 1-800-692-6878 (NY-COURTS)
- Metropolitan Museum
- New York Public Library
- Fordham University
- St. John's University
- Mailbox Pickup (Post offices are open)
- Street cleaning
- Alternate side of the street parking rules
The following are open today:
- Newark Public Schools
- Post Offices
- CUNY schools
-----
Donations
The United Way of New York and the New York Community
Trust have
established a fund to help the victims of the attacks
and their
families. The September Eleventh Fund will provide
immediate support to
established emergency assistance agencies. Anyone
wishing to contribute
may send their donations in care of United Way, 2 Park
Ave, New York,
New York, 10016, or call: (212) 251-4035.
Donations are also being accepted on United Way of New
York City's Web site:
http://www.uwnyc.org.
__________________________________________________
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help?
Donate cash, emergency relief information
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/
FROM: KNOdom
DATE: Thu 07:07
SUBJ: [wwwac] OT kinda - What could be next in the big picture?
Please, no flames on this, but I would rather be ahead of the curve this
time. Those who are supposed to be predicting these things probably
should have considered these items by now:
-I would be looking for a Left Coast hot air balloon delivering an EMP
to Silicon Valley.
-Then an airborne contamination of the corn belt.
FROM: Ari
DATE: Thu 07:29
SUBJ: [wwwac] Holy Smoke
good, i'm glad i'm wrong on this.
martial law would be a terrible thing to endure.
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Eric Berg wrote:
> It should be noted that marshall law has not been imposed and it's
> past midnight on Wednesday, 13 Sep 2001.
>
> New Yorkers and Americans everywhere are volunteering and working
> together with the military and civic agencies. So far, seems like
> we're keeping our collective heads.
>
> -Eric.
>
>
> Ari: [Tuesday 11-September]:
>
> >
> > On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Kathy Forer wrote:
> >
> > > At 10:08 AM -0400 9/11/01, Ari wrote:
> > > >it's only war if we know who did it.
> > >
> > > So much for star wars.
> > >
> > > Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine ??? just claimed
> > > responsibility.
> >
> > if this is true, any prospects for peace in the middle east have just
> > circled the bowl and went down the drain.
> >
> > i'm also worried that this is only one aspect of the attack and that there
> > will be further incidents.
> >
> > i predict marshall law or at least curfews in the city within 24hrs.
FROM: Gerard McGovern
DATE: Thu 12:45
SUBJ: [wwwac] ALERT: bin Laden under house arrest
Only Ananova so far is reporting this ... more news to follow.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_397616.html?menu=news.usterrorattacks
http://www.ananova.com/
We can but hope.
g in London
FROM: Vincent Yeh
DATE: Thu 07:54
SUBJ: [wwwac] Give A Shout Out Please/Vincent Yeh is safe
For my WWWAC friends out there who may be worried about me, my residential
building is one block south and west of the WTC complex. I am safe because
I had an early morning meeting at 40th and Park.
Currently staying with a friend on 12th Street in the East Village. Have a
cell phone and a computer and the grocery stores north of 14th street are
well stocked (although choices of fresh meat are limited). Have to show ID
to go back south of 14th street.
My WWWAC list messages go through Mig & Co. which is located at Wall Street
and Water Street. Power was out until yesterday afternoon, so I didn't have
contact to the list.
Power is still out in my residential building and I am waiting to rescue my
cat (who always has a big bowl of dry food and water set out for her, so she
shouldn't be starving).
Feel free to send me messages off-list.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Ellis <rickontv@... >
> >
> >there are levels of friendship and communication...
> >
> >i wouldn't be thinking about certain people under other circumstances
-
the
> >distant family member and friends of friends such as their AA flight
> >attendant buddies i've met socially (yet i couldn't be sure i'd
recognize
> >their names). i'm thinking about them now because i haven't heard
anything
> >and it's unsettling.
> >
>
. And I have the same
suspicions
> about a number of other people I dealt with on a regular basis.
They're
not
> family...or even close friends. But the world will seem a little less
bright
> without them.
>
> This can be a sad, hard life sometimes. And my thoughts go out to all
of
> their loved ones.
>
> Rick Ellis
> www.allyourtv.com
FROM: Vincent Yeh
DATE: Thu 07:57
SUBJ: [wwwac] I know this is unrealistic but... HELP!
The Board of the New York Software Industry is having an emergency meeting
to see how it can help the city. Your suggestion is an excellent one and I
am blind copying this message to NYSIA.
Vincent Yeh
viny@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Martha Bernholz
To: wwwac@...
Sent: 9/13/01 12:20 AM
Subject: [wwwac] I know this is unrealistic but... HELP!
My brother-in-law was on the 105th of the north tower. I am in New
Mexico
and my family is frantic. They have made the rounds of the all the
hospitals
and there is simply no sign of him.
What we need, and what many many people need, is an up to date online
database of who is in what hospital. I know this is unrealistic, but is
this something someone there can try to do?
I know there are a number of "we are ok" lists, but the sites are
overwhelmed.
Thanks,
Martha
..............................................................
Martha Bernholz
Creative Director, Ziamedia
http://www.ziamedia.com
Intelligent Web Design
877.726.7717
..............................................................
<<ATT00986.txt > >
FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 08:00
SUBJ: [wwwac] ALERT: bin Laden under house arrest
House arrested by the same people who are allegedly harboring/funding him.
Let them turn him over to the US. Then it'll be an alert.
-Peter
At 12:45 PM 9/13/01 +0100, Gerard McGovern wrote:
>Only Ananova so far is reporting this ... more news to follow.
>
>http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_397616.html?menu=news.usterrorattacks
>http://www.ananova.com/
>
>We can but hope.
>
>g in London
Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com
"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."
FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Thu 08:05
SUBJ: [wwwac] Any announcement about air quality warning
You're right. If I had thought about it, I knew this. But currently
the very mention of asbestos makes me twitchy ... my father's
exposure was because he insulated the crawl space and attic of our
family home, doing the work himself, in the late 60s. My sisters and
I have been told that our risk of developing the same cancer is only
slightly higher than normal (it's very rare). I've been gloomily
thinking that my and my sister's risk probabilities have shot up over
the past few days.
thanks for the kind words about my dad.
At 12:31 AM -0400 9/13/01, Scott Bowling wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:35:31 -0400
>Joanna Wissinger <joanna@... > wrote:
> >
> > At 10:07 PM -0400 9/12/01, Frank D. Greco wrote:
> >
> > >When I arrived home in NJ via ferry, they hosed everyone upon
> > >arrival. I'm sure they are concerned about asbestos dust, since the
> > >towers were built a while back.
> >
> > my father is currently suffering from asbestos-related cancer ... I
> > think the asbestos restrictions were instituted in the early 70s. The
> > Towers were built in 1973, so you could be right.
> >
>Especially since the Towers were actually opened in 70, with the
>official ribbon cutting in 73. Groundbreaking was August 5, 1966.
>
>Your father's situation is tragic, and I hope that everyone risking
>exposure is wearing enough protection to prevent further tragedy.
>
>Scott
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FROM: Gilbert Midonnet
DATE: Thu 08:20
SUBJ: [wwwac] javascript question
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i have two body onloads and I can't both to work.
uh ... what are my troubleshooting steps?
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FROM: Vincent Yeh
DATE: Thu 08:26
SUBJ: [wwwac] Surreal Experience [Getting] in [and Out ]of Manhatta
n
Along the lines of surreal, I never thought I would be a displaced person
living in a national disaster zone. I have to show ID every time I cross
south over the 14th street line in the East Village.
I call twice a day to see when I can get back to my apartment and rescue my
cat.
The Twin Towers were my backyard! In 1993 (WTC Bombing I), I watched the
excavation of the hotel and the rebuilding. I went to the memorial
commerating the six people killed. (Now they want 10,000 body bags on
hand!)
I spoke to the manager of my building after the first tower collapsed. She
was choking from the smoke, told me there was a bloody body outside her door
and that it would not be a good idea to come back.
I tried to see if I could go back the first night and found out the N was
skipping all Manhattan stops below Prince Street.
I've been in the WTC 1000 times. I was there Monday to upgrade my cell
phone contract. I know the neighborhood. Watching the coverage on cable at
my friend's place, I can identify and remember each building described (7
WTC was were a company I used to work for was located; 5 WTC had Borders
Book Store below; I passed 1 Liberty Plaza on my way to and from work; the
WFC I have passed many times through during the winter to the E at the WTC).
Went to a natural food store on 1st Ave and 10th street. They're rationing
water. Bought a day old bagel from a deli on 2nd and 13th. Last bagel.
Paid $1 for it (usually bagels run .60) Don't begrudge the deli owner at
all.
Can see the plume of smoke from where I am staying on 12th Street.
Almost all of my busy schedule has been cancelled.
For me, seeing my neighborhood in ruins on television is extremely surreal.
Vincent Yeh
viny@...
-----Original Message-----
From: Jen_Runne@...
...
To make a long post short.....I have never seen so many cops in one
place....and such an outpouring of kindness and help by New Yorkers.
....they
were not letting nonresidents cut into Chinatown.....
Finally, I found a cop who let me through after he peeked in my bag and
checked my driver's license. ...I
begged
a cop to let me on the bridge if it was safe, and showed my ID again.
...I will always miss my World Trade Center.....in troubled sleep last
night ... I dreamt of it.
I feel like I lost two family members.
FROM: Patrick Crowley
DATE: Thu 08:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] Volunteering
Okay, I've heard like ten different stories about what's going on with
voluteering, so maybe you can guys can straighten me out.
+ Can you still volunteer?
+ Are they still accepting volunteer crews at Javits?
+ Has anybody been able to volunteer?
Thanks!!!
Best,
Patrick
mokolabs > >
http://mokolabs.com
FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 08:22
SUBJ: [wwwac] a quick reminder
netdiver.net what's new page is dedicated solely to information to
find/contact victims and families as well as other pertinent information
such as tel numbers and relief funds links and will continue do so for an
undetermined period of time. it seems from some email from contacts in
europe that they do not have - as of yet such - good access to information
as to the status right now.
carole
FROM:
DATE: Thu 08:25
SUBJ: re:[wwwac] FYI WTC survivor database - more info
An e-mail I received from my next door neighbor, who's managing the database:
Rachel
Hi everyone,
I wanted to let you know that I am safe and sound. On Tuesday, I started
a database of World Trade Center survivors on my site at
http://www.ny.com/. Since the press release went out on a national wire
Tuesday evening, we have received over 10,000 names of survivors and we
anticipate many more.
My only full time help is in Hong Kong and so I have been working on the
list continuously for about two days. If anyone in
the New York City area has time to stop in and answer the phone, bring
me food, or put me down for a nap, I would be ever grateful.
For those of you who want to help, please take some time within the next
few days to read over the list at http://wtc.ny.com/ and send me the
sequence numbers of entries that are blatantly false. Make sure that
you reload or refresh the page to see the most recent version of the
list. The sequence number appears directly after the parentheses.
DO NOT include punctuation in the list that you send.
DO NOT skip extra lines between numbers
DO use "EDITS TO LIST" as the subject so that I can find your emails
easily among the thousands that are pouring into my inbox.
Wishing you all the best,
--
Avery Harken
Business Manager, NY.com
FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 08:32
SUBJ: re:[wwwac] FYI WTC survivor database - more info
If you tell us where Avery is, I'd gladly go over with some take out food
for him/her... (Is Avery a male or female name?)
-Peter
At 08:25 AM 9/13/01 -0400, RPLeven@... wrote:
>An e-mail I received from my next door neighbor, who's managing the database:
>Rachel
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I wanted to let you know that I am safe and sound. On Tuesday, I started
>a database of World Trade Center survivors on my site at
>http://www.ny.com/. Since the press release went out on a national wire
>Tuesday evening, we have received over 10,000 names of survivors and we
>anticipate many more.
>
>My only full time help is in Hong Kong and so I have been working on the
>list continuously for about two days. If anyone in
>the New York City area has time to stop in and answer the phone, bring
>me food, or put me down for a nap, I would be ever grateful.
>
>For those of you who want to help, please take some time within the next
>few days to read over the list at http://wtc.ny.com/ and send me the
>sequence numbers of entries that are blatantly false. Make sure that
>you reload or refresh the page to see the most recent version of the
>list. The sequence number appears directly after the parentheses.
>
>DO NOT include punctuation in the list that you send.
>DO NOT skip extra lines between numbers
>DO use "EDITS TO LIST" as the subject so that I can find your emails
>easily among the thousands that are pouring into my inbox.
>
>
>Wishing you all the best,
>--
>Avery Harken
>Business Manager, NY.com
Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com
"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."
FROM: Sue K
DATE: Thu 08:03
SUBJ: [wwwac] Volunteering
NYC Emergency Management and Red Cross are takiing names and skillsets of
people who want to volunteer. Nothing right now, but when current
volunteers/workers need to be relieved, they'll call.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Crowley <mailto:patcrowley@... >
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:24 AM
> To: WWWAC
> Subject: [wwwac] Volunteering
>
>
> Okay, I've heard like ten different stories about what's going on with
> voluteering, so maybe you can guys can straighten me out.
>
> + Can you still volunteer?
> + Are they still accepting volunteer crews at Javits?
> + Has anybody been able to volunteer?
>
> Thanks!!!
>
> Best,
> Patrick
> mokolabs > >
> http://mokolabs.com
FROM: Liza Schafer
DATE: Thu 08:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] No subways south of 42nd st.
They just announce on the news that there is no subway service south of 42nd
street.
FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 08:17
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
At 2:20 AM -0400 9/13/01, Karl Cooper wrote:
>I like the idea. The view from Jersey is quite moving. You should submit this idea. The only thing is, I believe another WTC will be build in its place. However, the memorial can reside on the concourse level between the buildings.
Thank you.
I know that a new building or buildings are what a lot of people seem to want. After all, we'd like to show that we can recover from this. But I believe that we should NOT put any office building there. It should be a memorial.
The nice thing about the memorial beacon is that it can co-exist with any new buildings. Personally, I would prefer if there were no new buildings put there, though. Why? Because it would be a more fitting way to memorialize the thousands who died there.
I live in Manhattan a few yards from a fort used in the American Revolution. The foundation is still in the ground, but it runs through what is now a city park. (Bennett Park @ 183rd St). No one wanted to build there because 1,200 Americans were killed by the British there. The idea of an open space as a positive reminder is much more meaningful and powerful than putting up yet another office building.
>
> >From: Paul Henry Smith <phs@... >
> >To: wwwac@...
> >Subject: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
> >Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:41:13 -0400
> >
> >
> >... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:
> >
> >
> > http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >____________________________________________________
> >phs@... http://www.panix.com/~phs
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 08:27
SUBJ: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
At 11:47 PM -0700 9/12/01, ujin_c wrote:
>how would you pronounce that. "i ??? ny"?
>
>i don't think it's a good idea to equate an icon of new york city with a
>military institution.
It's not "equated" ... it's inside it. As if the symbol of "protection" for which the pentagon stood can be made to work again.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "hens" <hens@...>
>To: "Paul Henry Smith" <phs@... >; <wwwac@... >
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [wwwac] Icons to show solidarity
>
>
> > On 9/13/01 at 1:41 AM -0400, Paul Henry Smith wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.panix.com/~phs/support.html
> >
> > Paul. Nice design.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > <http://www.monospace.com>
> > You are visitor number one.
--
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phs@... http://www.panix.com/~phs
FROM: Paul Henry Smith
DATE: Thu 08:32
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
At 4:38 AM -0400 9/13/01, Gilbert Midonnet wrote:
>actually I would like to see two new, taller buildings put up in their
>place.
I thought of that initially ("we can recover ... we can be BETTER and BIGGER than before ... not reduced and defeated")
Yet, the more I think about what has happened on that spot (and what is happening), the more I realize that whatever becomes of the area, an office building will never satisfy.
However, even if a memorial building is constructed (who knows what it will be), the Beacon can still be there. And it will be much "taller" than any building could be.
>Generally I'm opposed to such buildings, but this time I can think of no
>better memorial, and no better way to lift our spirits than to see two new
>buildings rising out of the rubble.
>
>If we have to put patriot missile launchers on the roof (aaack, what a
>repulsive thing to have to do) then so be it.
>
>-- gilbert midonnet
>
>by the way paul, if new buildings aren't put in their place those beacons
>are a wonderful suggestion.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Henry Smith <mailto:phs@... >
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 1:41 AM
>To: wwwac@...
>Subject: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
>
>
>
>... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:
>
>
> http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon
>
>
>
>
>--
>
>____________________________________________________
>phs@... http://www.panix.com/~phs
>
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FROM: Stephen Gilliard
DATE: Thu 05:35
SUBJ: [wwwac] Aid the rescue workers
PASS TO EVERY MAIL LIST AND WEBSITE YOU CAN FIND. THE
MORE FAXES AND MAIL THEY GET, THE BETTER
There have been reports of rescue workers needing
socks and t-shirts. While there have been many cases
of people bringing their own clothes to Chelsea Piers,
the fact is that it won't be enough, there is a need
for thousands upon thousands of unused socks.
The reality is that most of the workers will risk
infection and clothes from private homes will not be
clean enough, even if unused.
There is a ready source of clean clothing, water and
dried goods in the immediate WTC area and in NJ,
Brooklyn and upper Manhattan: K Mart, Rite Aid,
Costco, Modell's, Foot Locker and Food Emporium.
If the CEO's of these companies would either donate
their in store stocks to the Red Cross, open their
warehouses to the ARC and allow shipments directly to
lower Manhattan, or allow individuals to purchase
these goods at a nominal fee, thousands of hygenic, un
used shirtsm bottled water and dried goods like nuts
and candy, could be supplied en masse to the rescue
workers.
This work will continue for days and this is the best
way to ensure the quantity of goods, in the right
sizes, will be available for what may be a herculean
and gruesome task. The health and safety of the
workers depend on clean clothing and water.
A list of companies with e-mail and fax numbers is
below. Please be respectful with your request. We are
asking for a favor from these companies, one they are
not obligated to provide.
Thank you.
Steve Gilliard
NetSlaves
John A. Catsimatidis
CEO
Red Apple Group
823 11th Ave.
New York, NY 10019
US
Phone: 212-956-5803
Fax: 212-262-4979
Pathmark Supermarkets
James L. Donald
Chairman, President, and CEO
200 Milik Street
Carteret, NJ 07008
Phone: (732) 499-3000
Fax:
(732) 499-3100
Email: path001@...
Modell's Sporting Goods stores
Mitchell Modell
Co=President and CEO
Modell's Sporting Goods
498 7th Ave., 20th Fl.
New York, NY 10018
Phone: 212-822-1000
Fax: 212-822-1025
service@...
Corporate Office
THE SPORTS AUTHORITY, INC.
Customer Service
3383 North State Road 7
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33319
Phone: (954) 735-1701
Fax: (954) 484-0837
info@...
http://www.riteaid.com/contact_us/contact_customer_service.php
Rite Aid
Robert G. Miller, Chairman & Chief Executive Officer
30 Hunter Lane
Camp Hill, PA 17011
or
P.O. Box 3165
Harrisburg, PA 17105
Phone: (717) 761-2633
Fax: 717-975-5871
Duane Reade Inc.
Anthony J. Cuti
Chairman of the Board,
President and Chief Executive Officer
440 Ninth Ave 6th Floor
New York, NY 10001
(212) 273-5700
Fax (212) 244-6525
Food Emporium
A&P
Christian W. E. Haub
Chairman, President, and CEO
Box 418
2 Paragon Drive
Montvale, NJÝ 07645
Telephone 201-573-9700
Fax: 201-571-5219
apcustomerrel@...
Matthew D. Serra
President and Chief Executive Officer
Venator Group (Foot Locker)
112 W. 34th St.
New York, NY 10120
Ý
Phone: 212-720-3700
Fax: 212-720-4397
Costco
http://www.costco.com/frameset.asp?trg=custservice%2Fcontactcostco%2Easp&log=
President and CEO
James D. Sinegal
999 Lake Dr.
Issaquah, WA 98027
Phone: 425-313-8100
Fax: 425-313-8103
KMart
Chairman and CEO
Charles C. Conaway
3100 W. Big Beaver Rd.
Troy, MI 48084
ÝÝÝ
Phone: 248-463-1000
Fax: 248-463-5636
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FROM: Patrick Crowley
DATE: Thu 08:36
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now
I flew *directly* over the World Trade Center towers about 3 weeks ago.
God, what a sorely-missed sight that is....
Patrick
mokolabs > >
http://mokolabs.com
> I see planes in an tango line heading to JFK from my house as well. But
> they are not dropped down. Really, there is no need to fly over Manhattan
> at all. They can redirect flight patterns around Manhattan in a circle. I
> never flew OVER Manhattan.
> Really, the air space, like the coast line, needs military control.
>
> Ruben
FROM:
DATE: Thu 08:38
SUBJ: re:[wwwac] FYI WTC survivor database - more info
We're up in Inwood, between 204 and 207. I'll bring her breakfast this
morning. Best to get in touch with her directly and see what help she needs.
Thanks. Rachel
averyh@...
917-529-2981
FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 08:38
SUBJ: [wwwac] Great editorial by Thomas Friedman of the NY Times
Talking about how this really is World War III.
From the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/13/opinion/13FRIE.html?ex=1001384012&ei=1&en=
4fdb0a4bcc73bff0
JERUSALEM -- As I restlessly lay awake early yesterday, with CNN on my TV
and dawn breaking over the holy places of Jerusalem, my ear somehow latched
onto a statement made by the U.S. transportation secretary, Norman Mineta,
about the new precautions that would be put in place at U.S. airports in
the wake of Tuesday's unspeakable terrorist attacks: There will be no more
curbside check-in, he said. I suddenly imagined a group of terrorists
somewhere here in the Middle East, sipping coffee, also watching CNN and
laughing hysterically: "Hey boss, did you hear that? We just blew up Wall
Street and the Pentagon and their response is no more curbside check-in?"
Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com
"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."
FROM: Eileen 'Turtle' Parzek
DATE: Thu 08:40
SUBJ: [wwwac] WTC Memorial Beacon
wow. Last night when I was sitting around in my dazed state, i was thinking
about what they could put now in that space as a memorial and thought up
tthe same EXACT thing... to see it actually 'EXIST" visually rocked me this
morning. Thank you for taking it a step further... its a beautiful thing
At 01:41 AM 9/13/2001, Paul Henry Smith wrote:
>... my idea for a memorial in the place of the WTC towers:
>
>
> http://www.panix.com/~phs/beacon
>
>
>
>
>--
>
>____________________________________________________
>phs@... http://www.panix.com/~phs
~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~.~
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FROM: Tom Simpson
DATE: Thu 08:45
SUBJ: [wwwac] No subways south of 42nd st.
Really? I just made it in on the W train from Brooklyn to 23rd street.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Liza Schafer" <lschafer@... >
To: <wwwac@... >
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:24 AM
Subject: [wwwac] No subways south of 42nd st.
> They just announce on the news that there is no subway service south of
42nd
> street.
FROM: Chris Poterala
DATE: Thu 08:43
SUBJ: [wwwac] "Un-do" a dual-boot system?
I need to "do something" to get my mind off this for a bit, so I'm
starting simple.
I have a machine at home set up as a WinME/Win2K dual boot system - two
separate drives , one OS on each drive. The Win2K side is formatted as
NTFS to keep my kids from accessing that via WinME and nuking my work.
I did not use any sort of partitioning software. I simply installed a
new, second hard drive, and then installed Win2K, electing to do a new
install and pointing it towards this other drive. Install went
flawlessly. I get the select menu on start-up, make my choice, easy.
Now, I want to convert this box to a single OS, Win2K and lose the
dual-boot stuff.
Is there an "easy" way to do this? I'd love to be able to upgrade the OS
on the WinME side (it's the much larger hard drive) to Win2K and then be
able to access the now "old" Win2K drive and simply copy the data over
from that drive.
Make any sense?
thanks for any tips/help you can provide.
cheers,
Chris
Chris Poterala
chris@...
FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 08:48
SUBJ: [wwwac] earthlink access not working
I have a friend who has Earthlink in Brooklyn. She
was finally able to get through yesterday, but they
were having some problems. I chatted with a tech
on her behalf, who told me about the problems they
were having because they were overloaded. Here's
the page that gives the status of Earthlink
connections nationwide:
http://help.mindspring.com/netstatus/
They are still reporting busy signals in the NYC
area and activity at full capacity elsewhere.
There was a report on the news that they were assisting
the FBI because one or more of the suspects may have had
Earthlink accounts.
FROM: Joanna Wissinger
DATE: Thu 08:57
SUBJ: [wwwac] DPs of Manhattan: You can come to Brooklyn if you want
Here in Windsor Terrace, Brooklyn, there's plenty of food (I live
across the street from an excellent bagel bakery) and it's like
nothing ever happened, except for the smoke plume (and you don't
always see it--it depends on which way the wind's blowing). So if you
need a break, feel free to come here. Email me. I'm serious. I can't
offer people a place to stay, really, because I have a small child
and space is tight. But school is re-opening so I am not going to be
consumed with the tasks of motherhood all day.
Another suggestion, if you are feeling strong and righteous, is to go
to the Atlantic Avenue area of Brooklyn Heights/Boerum Hill and hang
out to be a witness for peace and tolerance. There's a lot of
Arab-American families living there who are being harassed. Now the
avenue is cordoned off from the BQE exit all the way to 4th Ave., but
before that people were driving down the street and cursing and
spitting and throwing things at anyone who looked middle eastern.
Some of the congregants of the Unitarian Universalist church in
Brooklyn Heights have been doing this informally--sitting with arab
kids on stoops or visiting arab stores and talking to the owners. My
babysitter, a tiny woman of fierce ethical convictions, who knows a
lot of these kids because they go to PS261 in Boerum Hill with her
son, has been doing this. I admire her greatly. I am hoping to get
things a bit more organized here and go and visit her in the Heights,
with my son, and try to be a force for normality ourselves. There's
nothing quite like a mom pushing her kid in a stroller, right?
--
Joanna Wissinger
c 917 407 6825 im joannawnyc web http://joannaw.com
content strategy/information architecture/competitive intelligence
what is "ubiquitous platforms"? find out at http://www.joannaw.com/ubiq
FROM: Dave Hodgkinson
DATE: Thu 13:54
SUBJ: [wwwac] Scrapbook?
I feel the urge to write some personal stuff about New York, the
people and me. It's a purely selfish thing in that it contributes
very little to the essential material happenings there now, but a
scrapbook of stories about the WTC and it's daily life seems to me to
be a small tribute.
Any thoughts?
Dave
FROM: Virginia Pruitt
DATE: Thu 09:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] Gatorade wanted by volunteers
One of the teachers from my school (two blocks from WTT) managed to be
accepted as a volunteer yesterday on the basis of her emergency medical
training. She says all the workers kept asking for Gatorade and that there
was none, only water.
She says the workers appreciated the t-shirts that were delivered, but now
they really need Gatorade.
Does anyone know how to reach the media to ask that Gatorade be sent?
Thanks
Virginia
FROM: Amita Guha
DATE: Thu 09:11
SUBJ: [wwwac] ALERT: bin Laden under house arrest
> Let them turn him over to the US. Then it'll be an alert.
I actually started laughing yesterday when they reported on
the news that the Taliban was asking the US not to bomb
Afghanistan.
I wish that the coup or whatever that was attempted in
Afghanistan on Tuesday night had worked...
FROM: Paula Freedman
DATE: Thu 06:13
SUBJ: [wwwac] request from CBS 2 Web site
Saw this on the CBS 2 Web site. Please help if you
can, and spread the word.
http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/StoryFolder/story_540494957_html
"If you have a digital camera or know someone who
does, we are looking to post pictures taken of flags
being flown around the country. These pictures,
emailed to us and posted in increasing numbers on the
local TV and radio sites we operate here in NY(listed
below), will serve as clear and positive evidence of
the country's collective support and strength.
What to send... original digital pictures of American
flags being flown at residences, businesses etc....
Lower resolution sizes preferred. Please include
location of photo and name of photographer.
How to send... email to cbsnewyork@...
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Paula J. Freedman - pjfreedman@...
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FROM: Kaye
DATE: Thu 09:13
SUBJ: [wwwac] 3D Model of Lower Manhattan?
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for a model of the whole City of New York, there is the one in the Queens Museum
in Flushing Meadow Park. 100% analog, walk around.
Art
Steven Clift wrote:
> Anyone found a good one? Which buildings are falling now?
>
> What I found:
> http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/World_Trade_Center.html
> http://www.simcenter.org/Projects/Lower_Manhattan/body_lower_manhattan.html
> http://www.geoplace.com/gw/1999/0399/399_3d.asp
>
> Steven Clift
> http://www.politicalbs.com
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Concepts in Staffing f.212-652-0789
9 E. 37th St. 2nd Floor kaye@...
New York, NY 10013
212-725-0300
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FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 09:19
SUBJ: [wwwac] Gatorade wanted by volunteers
I'm sending this off to a few TV news producers who I know are working
right now.
-Pete
At 09:09 AM 9/13/01 -0400, Virginia Pruitt wrote:
>She says the workers appreciated the t-shirts that were delivered, but now
>they really need Gatorade.
>
>Does anyone know how to reach the media to ask that Gatorade be sent?
>
>Thanks
>Virginia
Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com
"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."
FROM: B.K. DeLong
DATE: Thu 09:21
SUBJ: [wwwac] NY Red Cross needs computers/ tech help
>To: HPforGrownups@...
>From: kcruse@...
>Subject: [HPforGrownups] Red Cross in need of Tech Help
>
>
>
>Hey all:
>
>The Red Cross is in need of some tech help with their field
>operatives in NYC. They're looking for certified Citrix engineers
>and Microsoft-certified consultants, as well as a long list of
>computers, network parts, etc. You can find more info at:
>
>http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/showtell/story/0,23008,3347294,00.h
>tml
>
>If you can help, please do.
--
B.K. DeLong
bkdelong@...
617.877.3271
http://www.brain-stream.com Play.
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org Potter.
http://www.attrition.org Security.
http://www.artemisiabotanicals.com Herb.
FROM: Brigitte.Defoort@...
DATE: Thu 09:28
SUBJ: [wwwac] IT INFRASTRUCTURE SPECIALISTS call Melissa 508 620 7755
just got this info from CNBC
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Sr Recruiter
http://www.atvera.com
NYC: +1 917 215 0338
NYC: +1 646 710 1912
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FROM: Nathaniel R. Merriam
DATE: Thu 09:29
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now (air marshalls)
You're not alone -- but at the same time, i have always been proud of that.
I have always been proud that, despite our worldwide reputation of being a
violent country, most of us have never actually seen an automatic weapon.
We've never actually seen a tank, or an APC.
But you get off a plane in another country, you KNOW you're in another
country -- you're in a place where police have automatic weapons, where they
have shotguns slung over their backs, and you get a rifle in your face if
you try to take a photo at the airport. There are APCs at the end of every
runway.
I don't want that in the US. Its not a matter of us being foolish, its a
matter of us deciding how we want to live. I don't want my children to be
used to seeing people with automatic weapons on every corner.
nathaniel
>
> you get off a plane in heathrow, you see lots of armed officers
> with machine
> guns who stare you down cold. you get off a plane in JFK, you may see one
> or two officers with hand guns, probably chatting to themselves with no
> concern for you.
>
> this is my experience, and i doubt i'm alone in it.
>
FROM: May S. Young
DATE: Thu 09:37
SUBJ: [wwwac] Japanese Comapnies at the WTC
I saw this at Anime News Service http://www.animenewsservice.com/
9-12-01---- 30+ Japanese Businesses Had Offices In NYC WTC Complex
Source: Below Article Text Copyright Yomiuri Shimbun
Officials from about 30 Japanese companies that have branches in the New
York World Trade Center had feelings of both anxiety and relief on
Wednesday, with some of them unable to confirm the safety of all of their
employees in the building. Among 363 employees who work at the companies,
the safety of 344 had been confirmed by Wednesday night. In addition, Chief
Cabinet Secretary Yasuo Fukuda said Wednesday that a name that appeared to
be that of a Japanese was on the passenger list of the American Airlines
plane that departed Boston for Los Angeles and crashed into the World Trade
Center. Nishi-Nippon Bank of Fukuoka confirmed one of its three employees
in the center was safe, but had not been able to contact the other two, who
were in New York to conduct wrap-up operations after the bank closed its
New York branch Sept. 6. The bank said Minoru Tahara, 45, the branch's
former manager, was confirmed safe, but it had not been able to contact
Kazuhiro Anai, 42, and Takuya Nakamura, 30. Yoko Nagata, the younger sister
of Anai, said at her home in Fukuoka: "So far I have received no
information about him. I'm scared." Yu, 60, father of Nakamura, said from
his home in Yamaguchi Prefecture: "I found out from a TV news program that
my son's safety has not been confirmed. I can only pray for him." Fuji
Bank's countermeasure headquarters said Wednesday that the safety of about
50 of its 500 local employees in New York, including 12 Japanese employees,
had not been confirmed. Employees in New York were visiting about 100
hospitals where victims were taken to confirm whether the missing workers
were hospitalized, but their identities unknown, bank officials said. A
male employee at the Tokyo head office said: "I couldn't sleep last night
while watching TV news programs. I hope we will soon be told they are
safe." Nomura Research Institute said two of its employees who were in New
York on a business trip at the time of the attacks were still unaccounted
for. The institute said Takashi Ogawa, 37, and Sanae Mori, 27, both of its
system consulting division, had not been contacted since the incident. Both
were scheduled to attend a financial conference held on the 106th floor of
the north tower at 8 a.m. Tuesday, it said. Chuo Mitsui Trust & Banking Co.
had not confirmed the safety of three employees of its New York office and
a local affiliate that were located on the 83rd floor of the south tower of
the destroyed center. Nikko Securities International, a local subsidiary of
Nikko Securities Co., confirmed the safety of all of its 20 employees in
New York. Though four of them were in the office on the 79th floor of the
north tower and contact with them was lost, the company confirmed their
safety on Wednesday morning. Dai-Ichi Kangyo Bank also confirmed the safety
of all 80 of its Japanese employees working in its branch in the north
tower at 3:12 a.m. Wednesday. Cosmos Services, an affiliate of Itochu
Corp., which was located on the 89th floor of the north tower, confirmed
the safety of 11 staff members, including eight Japanese employees. Hiroo
Tani, 38, of Shizuoka Bank, escaped from the office of the bank's New York
branch on the 80th floor of the south tower. Nobuhiko Atsuchi, 36, another
employee working at the branch, was also confirmed safe, officials of the
bank said. Their family members said they had given up hope after hearing
the news, but were relieved when they later discovered their loved ones
were alive.
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FROM: Kim B. Foglia
DATE: Thu 09:46
SUBJ: [wwwac] helping kids cope
Two sites from the National Association of School Psychologists which
may be of some help today in your school.
Children and Responding to National Disaster Information for Children
(for educators)
http://www.nasponline.org/NEAT/terror_eds.html
Helping Children Cope with Tuesday's Act of Terrorism
http://www.nasponline.org/NEAT/terrorism.html
Kim B. Foglia
Chief Creative Officer
Galt Corporation
http://www.galtcorporation.com
631.756.0200 x204 voice
631.756.0789 fax
FROM: Peter Shankman
DATE: Thu 09:53
SUBJ: [wwwac] Heading up to the Red Cross Center
All:
I'm taking about 50 Cat. 5 cables of different sizes up to the Red Cross
building on Amsterdam Ave, along with a bunch of octopus plugs and
telephone wires. One of the benefits of selling your agency and going back
to working in your apartment, is that you have a shitload of stuff left
over. Here's a perfect chance to do something with it.
I'll keep you posted when I get back as to what else they need.
-Peter
Peter Shankman
peter@...
www.shankman.com
"While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us swear allegiance to a land that's free,
Let us all be grateful for a land so fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer."
FROM: Mark Frieser
DATE: Thu 10:08
SUBJ: [wwwac] Rebuild then now (air marshalls)
People are talking a lot about civil freedom - and that's nice in theory but
in fact, if having a ship in the harbor and semi-automatics on the airport
security will keep the next 20,000 from dying, I'm all for a greater
military presence and tighter security. Giving away supposed "freedoms" you
don't really have anyway are the price many countries pay for security.
Compared to our allies in Europe and Asia, our airport security is
positively third world. If any country in the EU or Japan or Singapore saw
that there were people like these individuals coming through security, you
can be sure that they'd have swooped down on them like swiftly, and rightly
so.
People in Europe and the parts of Asia I've described have freedoms (don't
start on Singapore -it's much freer than you may think) and security.
Moreover, they use better security equipment and are much better trained.
And, I know that some people don't want to see racial profiling of people of
Arab descent at the airports. Too bad. I'm so sick of people complaining
about how we're trouncing on other's rights. I am not a racist or a
xenophobe, not at all, but if it takes someone with a passport form the
United Arab Emirates an extra 30 minutes at customs or security to ensure
that person is not a terrorist, so be it. Any Arab-American - or anyone who
cares about this country would understand and willingly put up with this
inconvenience for the sake of their country.
All our other allies act this way and its about time that Americans get the
message that vigilance and security does not mean that they have to give us
their personal freedom. When I see the F-18's in the skies of Manhattan ,
the army trucks going downtown and ships in the air, I feel safer, not that
someone's taking away my precious freedom. Freedom to live is one's first
priority, and there are over 20,000 people in New York who would have the
basic freedom if we had better security.
We live in a new world now, and we have to think about our security in a
much different way than we did in the past. And that requires new thinking
about civil liberties too.
On 13-09-2001 9:29, "Nathaniel R. Merriam" <NMerriam@... > wrote:
>
> You're not alone -- but at the same time, i have always been proud of that.
> I have always been proud that, despite our worldwide reputation of being a
> violent country, most of us have never actually seen an automatic weapon.
> We've never actually seen a tank, or an APC.
>
> But you get off a plane in another country, you KNOW you're in another
> country -- you're in a place where police have automatic weapons, where they
> have shotguns slung over their backs, and you get a rifle in your face if
> you try to take a photo at the airport. There are APCs at the end of every
> runway.
>
> I don't want that in the US. Its not a matter of us being foolish, its a
> matter of us deciding how we want to live. I don't want my children to be
> used to seeing people with automatic weapons on every corner.
>
> nathaniel
>
> >
> > you get off a plane in heathrow, you see lots of armed officers
> > with machine
> > guns who stare you down cold. you get off a plane in JFK, you may see one
> > or two officers with hand guns, probably chatting to themselves with no
> > concern for you.
> >
> > this is my experience, and i doubt i'm alone in it.
FROM: pumpernickelpickle
DATE: Thu 07:09
SUBJ: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?
Hi everyone,
I know that we are all looking for friends and family
members and I pray that your searches lead you to
those that you seek.
I, too, am looking for someone. I was wondering if
anyone has heard any information about survivors from
Cantor Fitzgerald? We are searching for a dear friend
of ours, Joe Corbett, and no one has heard from him. I
know that the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald were badly
damaged, but we are keeping our hopes up.
If anyone has any information whatsoever, or knows
employees from Cantor Fitzgerald that survived, please
let me know. His wife, Felicia, woudl appreciate any
information.
Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Everyone is
in my thoughts...
denine m. anderson
pnp
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FROM:
DATE: Thu 09:10
SUBJ: [wwwac] wtclist
I can't believe the childish of some of the names on the
ny.com/wtclist.html
I've written the editor about some of the posts, but they seem to be
increasing.
FROM: carole guevin
DATE: Thu 10:12
SUBJ: [wwwac] volunteering
ABC just announced that sometimes this afternoon the Javitts Center will be
dedicated to registering volunteers from medical, technical and ordinary
people. you will need to provide identification, skills you have and
receive proper clearance before being put on a calling as needed list. Will
forward more info on this later.
carole
FROM: pumpernickelpickle
DATE: Thu 07:23
SUBJ: [wwwac] wtclist
I, too, am upset by the immaturity of these people. It
is incredibly frustrating to those who are looking for
loved ones to find such moronic names posted to these
boards.
Very disappointing.
--- grimmwerks@... wrote:
>
> I can't believe the childish of some of the names on
> the
> ny.com/wtclist.html
>
> I've written the editor about some of the posts, but
> they seem to be
> increasing.
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FROM: Rick Ellis
DATE: Thu 14:24
SUBJ: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?
Sigh. These may be some of the hardest hit people in the WTC.
The last semi-official numbers I hard last night were that of the 1,000 or
so employees believed to be in the Cantor Fitz offices, they had accounted
for fewer than 90.
I'm sure she has this info, but for those who don't:
For Family and Friends of Cantor Fitzgerald, eSpeed and TradeSpark employees
a CRISIS CENTER has been opened at:
Pierre Hotel
61st Street and Fifth Avenue
Enter at the 61st Street Ballroom Entrance
Wednesday (09/12/2001) from 4:00 PM to 9:00 PM
Thursday and Friday (09/13 - 09/14/2001) from 9:00 AM to 9:00 PM
For Employees and Family Members only, call the CRISIS CENTER at:
1 (212) 940-8162
1 (212) 940-8482
1 (212) 940-8492
1 (212) 893-6073
Any Cantor Fitzgerald, eSpeed or TradeSpark employee that has not checked in
please call:
1 (212) 309-4150
or email to:
WTCPEOPLEINFO@...
WTCPEOPLEINFO@...
For any media inquiries please contact:
Jeff Siegel at Edelman Public Relations 1 (212) 819-4863
I knew a lot of people there...this is tough to think about.
Rick Ellis
www.allyourtv.com
>From: pumpernickelpickle <pumpernickelpickle@... >
>To: wwwac@...
>Subject: [wwwac] Cantor Fitzgerald employees?
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I know that we are all looking for friends and family
>members and I pray that your searches lead you to
>those that you seek.
>
>I, too, am looking for someone. I was wondering if
>anyone has heard any information about survivors from
>Cantor Fitzgerald? We are searching for a dear friend
>of ours, Joe Corbett, and no one has heard from him. I
>know that the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald were badly
>damaged, but we are keeping our hopes up.
>
>If anyone has any information whatsoever, or knows
>employees from Cantor Fitzgerald that survived, please
>let me know. His wife, Felicia, woudl appreciate any
>information.
>
>Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Everyone is
>in my